Saturday, March 19, 2011

Great Crowd, Resurrection, Judgment Day, the "living" and the "dead"


Question from reader:


I just finished reading an answer about whether the great crowd are in heaven. My question is as follows: If the 144,000 are the only ones going to heaven, then how does that relate to the resurrection mentioned in Rev.20:4-5 and 1Corinthians 15:23 ,considering that they are already seen in heaven standing with the lamb, in Rev.14:1-4. and Rev.14:7, it further goes on to say that the hour of judgment has arrived. Satan has not yet been bound which seems prerequisite to the first resurrection. So how is it that the 144,000 are said to be in heaven as 'firstfruits'? The bible speaks of the first resurrection as being spiritual, so please tell me where the great crowd fit in? If the rest of the dead only come to life when the thousand years are over, then I’m very curious as to why would God allow some of the great crowd to live on after Armageddon(those alive), but what about those millions already dead? Are they to be resurrected into judgment after the 1,000 years and why so if the bible describes these ones as having washed the robes clean?

Answer: Hello Sean,

This "question" is such a tangled ball of yarn consisting of countless presumptions so full of wonder you are confused. I don't know where to start. I will try to draw out of your statements, a list of your presumptions, hope I get them right as far as what you are saying, and then try to clear up each one. It may also help to examine your cited scriptures, and explain their meaning, as best as spirit grants me.

First you say that you read someone else's answer about the "great crowd", but you don't say what your conclusion about this is. My own current conclusion regarding this is my understanding of scripture.

First we see that the "great crowd" is portrayed in Rev.7:9 as being "dressed in white robes". I easily conclude that these are the last anointed to be sealed near the end (Rev.6:11).


Rev.19:8 reads: "Yes, it has been granted to her (the "Bride") to be arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, for the fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones". This "administration" of "holy ones" is clearly identified in many places, but you can read some of this at Eph.1:1-23. Only these are mentioned as being granted white robes, after sacrificing their lives in faithfulness (see Rev.6:9,10,11; 11:7,4). This "Great Crowd" is seen in heaven (Rev.19:1). For an examination of the original Greek description of the great crowd, see

Therefore, Rev.7:14 identifies these ones as the particular sealed anointed, that endured the Great Tribulation...Satan's great test of loyalty, slyly designed to prevent these last ones from being sealed.
Whether or not this is your understanding, you do not say, but since you brought it up and it might involve the other answers, I thought it best to establish it. Okay...the next sentence...very tangled. I'll try dealing with a phrase at a time.

Yes, the 144,000 are the only ones going to heaven. But you seem to think that all 144,000 are represented by the "great crowd". The "great crowd" is only a segment of the 144,000. They are the sealed anointed that "come out of the Great Tribulation". Not all the 144,000 do so; only the last ones in the time of the end, do. Therefore, the "great crowd" is only part of the 144,000.
Yet please also realize, that like all numbers in Revelation, this number is symbolic. The "number" can remain the same, even while some are added or taken away. Please consider that if the number represents those who are governed by Truth, that the total of this literal, physical group, can change in number, while still retaining that "numerical" designation.
For a background into the meaning of 144000 (as well as 6 and 12), please consider this (LINK)

In illustrating who the great crowd is...

Imagine you have a large bowl of a variety of fruit. 
Then one of the fruits is described for you.... it is yellow, long, and has a skin to peel off.
Do you assume that this fruit is not contained in the bowl, simply because it is singled out to be described?
In the same way, the bowl of fruit may compare to all sealed anointed, the 144,000.
The Great Crowd is like the banana, that is among the fruit. It is described for us, because it is a special piece. It is different than all the other pieces in it's value. Although all pieces are treasured for their traits, this group is given honorable mention, due to it enduring and proving victorious, through Satan's greatest test of all.
The Bible does make clear that the Great Crowd are among the anointed ones. No "man" (of lawlessness) can number how many anointed in the time of the end (Rev.7:9; 13:18; 2Thess.2:3), will prove faithful and make it to heaven. Those that do, will be members of the Great Crowd, who "come out of the Great Tribulation".

Try to incorporate the additional fact that the heavenly conquerers are not going to remain in heaven.
(This scriptural teaching is examined in articles about the Thousand Year Reign (not yet published), ,  and my Psalm 45 article, as, when it is finished. While I did not write all these articles personally, I was consulted and I edited them. Thankfully, I am now being assisted due to poor health.)

Next, how it relates to Rev.20:4,5. Perhaps if I explain what this scripture means, it will help you have truthful pieces, in order to construct a clearer puzzle picture.

Rev. 20:4-5 reads:
"And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection."  

First, "And I saw thrones"...

Those sitting on these thrones are the 144,000. A throne indicates a kingship.

2Tim.2:12 reads, "if we go on enduring, we shall also rule together as kings; if we deny, he also will deny us". "We", means the chosen.

Next, Rev. 20:4-5 states that "power of judging was given them"...

1 Cor.6:2 reads:
"Or do YOU not know that the holy ones will judge the world?"

Then, Rev.20:4-5 describes this group....
"Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God"

Rev.6:9 reads:
"And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have."

(Revelation 11:3) "And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”
(Revelation 11:7) And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them." (also Rev.13:7)

Why does the wild beast kill them?

Rev.13:15 reads:
"And there was granted it to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and *cause to be killed* *all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast*"...

Which brings us back to Rev. 20:4...
"those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand."

Next Rev. 20:4-5 reads:
... "And they came to life"...

This is the part that I think may help with your overall question.
The scriptures speak of those "living" and those "dead".

In our limited, physical experience, we have our own understanding of what it means to be "living" or "dead". Our reference is physical. We are not spirit. So to us, "living" is physically alive; and "dead" is physically dead.
Try to remember that God has the power of both physical and spiritual, life and death. To Him and Christ, the physical is not worthy of consideration. Why?    Because God can at any moment, remove the breath of life from us and we die. He also can effortlessly raise able bodied men from dust or dry bones.

It is our spiritual standing with God that determines the state of our life. Those shown his favor and mercy, are therefore, guaranteed life. Such life could not be more secure. Yet those who are condemned by him, though breathing, are in a sense, already as good as dead (Eph.2:1,5; 5:14; Col.2:13; 1Tim.5:6; 1John3:14)

Let us get scriptural proof for this concept...

Matt. 22:31-32:
Jesus said, "As regards the resurrection of the dead, did YOU not read what was spoken to YOU by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob’? He is the God, not of the dead, but of the living."
Can you see here that although Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are physically dead, they are considered alive by God and Christ? There life is assured due to their faithful course.

Similarly, Rom. 14:9 reads:
"For to this end Christ died and came to life again, that he might be Lord over both the dead and the living".
As God is a God of the living (Matt.22:31-32 above); Jesus is a Lord of the dead and the living both. This is because he will serve the needs of both, in the hopes that they all may attain to life, through the provision of his ransom ("to this end Christ died").

Luke 15:21,24,32:
"...but we just had to rejoice and enjoy ourselves, because this your brother was dead and came to life, and he was lost and was found."

The Prodigal son was not literally dead, but he was lost in his sinful course. Leading into this illustration, Jesus explains what "lost" means...
"'Rejoice with me, because I have found my sheep that was lost'. I tell you that thus there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner that repents than over ninety-nine righteous ones who have no need of repentance". Clearly according to Jesus, "dead" means lost in sin. Alive (found) means repentant of their sins.

Matt. 8:21-22:
"Then another of the disciples said to him: “Lord, permit me first to leave and bury my father.” 22 Jesus said to him: “Keep following me, and let the dead bury their dead.”

Can you see here that physically dead people cannot bury anyone? Jesus was speaking here about those with little prospect of life, as being more fit to handle pointless pursuits. This disciple, who was speaking with Christ, had a greater opportunity before him. He was in the presence of Christ and could receive "life". Jesus tried to reason with him by revealing the potential benefits of following Christ, versus "dead works".

Just these two of many scriptures reveal that God and Christ see "death" and "life" very differently than we do. Those physically alive can be considered dead by God. Those physically dead can be considered alive. Why? Because the life of the condemned is indeed brief (Job 14:1; James4:14; Ps.90:10; 1Pet.1:24). The sleeping death of the righteous is momentary (John16:16; 14:1,2,3; 11:11,13,23; Isa.51:11,12).

In harmony with this truth, Rev.20:12 reads:
"And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne...". This scripture refers to those not yet "living" in God's eyes, but found worthy of salvation and rescue (2Cor.5:10-11; Mal.3:2; 1John2:28; Luke 21:36; Rev.6:17; 7:9; 8:2; 11:4). Can you see this?

How do the anointed receive this "standing" of "life"?
Consider James 1:12; 2Pet.1:2; 1John1:1-3; 3:14  also

(Revelation 2:7) "Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations: To him that conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’

(Revelation 2:10) "Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of YOU into prison that YOU may be fully put to the test, and that YOU may have tribulation ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life."
And also Rev.20:6; 21:6; 22:19.

Rev.20:4-5 continues:
"And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years."

The Thousand Year period mentioned here is that Judgment Day. As all the terms in the book of Revelation, this period is symbolic, not literal. As with all Revelation symbolism, the correct interpretation is found in scripture.
Where outside Revelation, is a thousand year era mentioned? 
We can find scriptures to guide our interpretation at Psalm90:4 and 2Pet.3:8.

In Psalms, the thousand years is compared to both, a "day", and, "a watch in the night." In Bible times, there were four watches to a night. The first started at sunset. Each watch was for 3 hours, for a total of 12 hours of darkness.

Jesus referred to this at John11:9,10; 9:4,5; 1:4; 3:19; 8:12; Matt.4:16. He there spoke of the light of day, as existing while he was on the earth. The bright clarity of light from Christ, was spiritual. The light from Christ is compared to the sun whose light is so bright, it brings "day" to the earth (Matt.17:2; Rev.1:16; 10:1. 
Jesus also spoke of his faithful chosen as the light of the world (John12:46; Matt.5:14,16; Eph.5:8; 1Pet.2:9; Luke12:35,38). The faithful chosen do not have a glory such as Christ (1Cor.15:41), but are compared to stars (Phil.3:15; Dan.12:3). Stars do not provide light during the day, but rather during the night (Rom.13:12,11; Luke12:38), during which time, most are spiritually asleep, or worse (1Thess.5:2,4,5,6,7; Eph.5:14; Matt.25:5,6,7). Christ's chosen slaves are directed by him, not to sleep as others do during his absence of darkness, but to remain awake, vigilant, and ready to respond to his return. They are to use the portion of light he left them with (Matt.28:19,20; John14:15,16,17,26; 7:39). Those who do, will receive more light when he returns (John14:18; 16:22; Mal.3:1,3; Heb.1:6). Once Christ does return, the daylight returns with him, for those upon whom he will dawn, giving them his complete light (1Cor.13:9,10; Luke1:78,79; Matt.13:43; 25:29). To him who has some light (Matt.25:14,15,19,21; Eph.5:13; 1Pet.2:9), more will be given (Prov.4:18; Isa.60:1; Rev.2:28; Eph.5:14; Isa.30:26).

The thousand year reign of Christ will be during the night after he has left the earth. His chosen ones will stand watch during their lives (Matt.24:34; 28:20) in Satan's dark world (Eph.6:12; John17:15), during which they will remain sons of day (1Thess.5:5), shining their light from Christ (Matt.5:14).
This brings us to the second reference to the meaning of the "Thousand Years".
In 2Pet.3:8, a thousand years is referred to as a "day" to God. This day will be for those who walk in the light of Christ. While they possess that light, they shine it in the dark world (John1:5). That light is offered to all. That light is the light of life (John1:4; 8:12; 6:63). Life is offered, through light.
What "day" offers life and light?
2Cor.6:2 reads
"For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation, I helped you." Indeed, the "right time" is now. Today is the day of salvation."
(2Cor.6:1; 5:20; Rom.5:10)
The "Thousand Years" contains a concurrent day and night. The night is Satan's time to rule the world (1John5:19; Rom.13:12). The Day is the same period, during which Satan and his seed are warred against and gradually subdued (Gen.3:15; Psalm110:1,2,3; Rev.12:7; 19:11,14; 17:14). The sons of light must stand watch during this night (Mark13:35,36,37; Luke12:35; John5:35), shining their lamplight sourced in the "sun" of "day" within their hearts (2Cor.4:6; 2Pet.1:19). This they must do until Christ returns, bringing with him the end of night, and the return of day. That final day will never end again (Rev.22:4,5,6).

Rev. 20:12 reads:
"And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And *the dead were judged* out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. (John12:48; Luke10:16; Matt.16:19; 25:32,46; John20:23)
Let us see something about this thousand year period...

Rev.20:3 reads:
"And he (Jesus) hurled him (Satan) into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended."

So, we see two occurrences during this "thousand years". Scrolls (knowledge) are opened (Luke24:32,45 --understood). Satan's deceptions are disarmed for those blessed by spirit (Luke10:17,18,19,20; John16:33; Rev.20:1,2,3; Isa.54:17; Luke21:15; 1John2:13,14,20,27), so that the imparting of this divine knowledge and it's blessing of life is not interfered with, by Satan's "misleading" efforts (Rev.12:9; 20:1,10). During this thousand year period that provides the understanding that leads to life; the "dead" who accept and follow it, will be brought to "life" (John5:24; 7:38; 8:51; 1John3:14).

During this Thousand Year period of Christ's kingdom,

Christ and his faithful Chosen priests will be gradually subduing his enemies (Ps.110:1,2,3; Gen.3:15; 2Cor.10:3,4,5; Rev.12:7,10,11; 19:11,14; 17:14; Luke10:19,20; John1:5; 1Cor.15:24,25).
After Christ's "Thousand Year" kingdom removes enemies of God and subdues and judges Satan and his seed; Christ will give the cleansed creation and the completed administration of 144000 to His Father, for the beginning of God's eternal Kingdom.
(Two Kingdoms)

As (Rev.20:6,5 A) continues:
"The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended."

So we see that, considered righteous and donned in white robes (Rev.6:9,10,11; 19:8); the sealed anointed receive life as the "new creation" (Eph.4:22-24; Gal.6:15; Col.3:11; 2Cor.5:17; Rev.3:14; 1:5; 14:1,4; James 1:18; John 6:57). 
Though only seen as physical, they have been given spirit life within (John 5:24; 6:63; 20:22; 1John3:14; Rom.8:9,11; 2Cor.5:17; 1Cor.3:16).
  The "rest" (Rev.20:5 A) of the "woman's seed" (Rev.12:17) who are overcome by Satan's "short time" (Matt.24:22) following his release from the abyss [Rev.13:1,7; 12:12; 20:3,7-8; 16:14,13; 1Tim.4:1; Rev.13:11,15-18; 16:13 (666)], must "come to life" after they "come out of" the "Great Tribulation"/final test (Rev.7:3; 9:4; Rev.7:14) (LINK). During that time, Christ will cause his "two witnesses" to prophesy, so that along with Satan's great deception (1Tim.4:1; 2Thess.2:9-12,4; Dan.11:36; Rev.12:9,15; 13:11,7; Dan.8:12,11,24-25; 11:31) ("gods"?) (Satan's "river"), God will not fail to make "the proper food at the proper time", also available (Dan.12:4; Rev.20:12; John 12:48; Luke 8:10; Dan.12:10,3; Phil.2:15; Rev.1:20; 8:6; 10:7; Isa.58:1; Rev.11:3-5; 20:9,15; Jer.5:14; 23:29; Hosea6:5; Rev.2:26-27; 12:5; Eph.2:6) (Isa.65:13; Eze.34:13-15; Jer.31:12; Eze.17:22-24; 36:30; Rev.22:2; Eze.36:8; Matt.24:15-16) 
(Disgusting Thing). 
All present at that time, must avail themselves of the knowledge being provided through Christ's faithful steward (Luke 12:42-44; John21:17; Mal.2:7; 3:18; Matt.7:20) (Fine Trees). If they do seek it out, and they hear and obey it (Rev.3:22; 22:6-7,12), they too will receive life (Rev.2:29; 22:17; Matt.22:9-10; 10:40-42; Prov.25:25; Nahum 1:15; Isa.52:7; Matt.24:14; Isa.48:20; 62:11; Jer.31:10-12; 51:6; Rev.18:4; Isa.1:21; Rev.17:2; 2:20-21) ("Jezebel").
Of the few who do repent among God's people...
 (Rom.9:27; Rev.13:1,7-8,11,15,8; 2:20-21; 3:3,19; 9:20-21; 16:9,11; Matt.7:14,13; 24:5,4,11,24-25,22; Luke 18:26-27; 1Thess.5:17; Eph.6:18; Luke 21:36; Rev.7:10; Jer.31:11; 30:7,10);
... they will "come to life" 
(John5:24; Rev.3:20; John6:58; Rev.2:17; 3:11; James 1:12)...
"after the thousand years", and the Great Tribulation to follow... 
(Amos 7:1-2; Rev.9:3,2; Joel 2:2; Matt.24:21) (LINK) (LINK) (Rev.9:10; Eze.2:6; Luke 10:19), 
..."have ended" (Rev.20:5 A) (Rev.7:9-10,13-14,16-17).

Here are two additional links:
(Armageddon is also different than what we were lead to believe by WT doctrine. ...Obadiah has an article on this at Obadiah Blogs)

Next you raise 1Cor. 15:23.
Verse 22 goes nicely with the subject we just finished:
"For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive." Perhaps you have deeper understanding of this now. The sealed anointed are not made alive in the flesh, are they? Yet they are still "made alive". So this is not speaking of physical life, but spiritual life. All will eventually receive endless life, whether as the new creation [flesh and spirit as Christ was able to be after his resurrection -Rom.6:5], 
or as secondary recipients of eternal life, living as human flesh bound on earth.


"But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power."

This refers to the resurrection to everlasting life where one will never die again.

First, we know Christ was the firstborn from the dead, in the sense that he would never die again. Although others were resurrected before his, they died again (1Kings 17:17-24; Acts 9:36-42; John 11:38-44).

On the contrary, Christ was resurrected for all time. But, he was the "first among many brothers"...
(Romans 8:29) "because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers"

(Acts 26:23) "that the Christ was to suffer and, as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to publish light both to this people and to the nations."

(Colossians 1:18) "and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things"

(1 Thessalonians 4:16) "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first", those "in union with Christ" (the sealed anointed) will be raised to "life" (meaning no second death), first. These are the ones who "belong to the Christ" and who are wearing "white robes".

Those offered life during the Thousand Year Judgment Day, will still be liable to the second death, should they prove unworthy of life during that period. We know that when Satan is let out of the Abyss after the thousand years are finished, indeed, many will follow Satan and die...

(Revelation 20:7-9) Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma′gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and devoured them.

So we see it is true, those who are not anointed, nor part of the "first resurrection", do not receive life forever ("come to life"), until this final test is over, or, "until the Thousand Years were ended" (Rev. 20:5).    They therefore, are not dressed in  "white robes" of righteousness (rev 19:8)  Nor are they granted everlasting life until the purpose of the "Thousand Years" is fulfilled.

Do you see this?

After this final test, 1Cor. 15:24 "Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power."...

Yes, when Satan, death, and all those who do not truly love God (despite his gracious generosity during the thousand year Judgment Day) are brought to their end, Jesus will give the restored Creation back to his God, King, and Father. God's original be the King of all sinless creation, will be realized. At that point, ALL ENEMIES, including death, are brought to nothing. Satan will not again be "let out", mislead, and cause death. Those events occur before the "end", and before God's eternal kingdom begins.
NOW is the day of salvation and judgment. NOW is the Thousand Year reign of Christ, while he subdues his enemies, and the righteous are offered truth and life.

All the dead, the "righteous and the unrighteous"..."all those in the Memorial tombs" will be judged during each ones own lifetime well before the Thousand Years ends (John 5:28-29; Acts 24:15).  Each person is judged based upon a comparison of their heart to the standards within God's word.  That law of love for God and neighbor can be manifested and seen by God, even in the abscence of a formal education of his laws. (...scriptures.....)

Being resurrected, and "coming to life" are two different things, as hopefully, you can now see.

The word "resurrection", literally means "to stand again". Therefore when we read, "I saw the dead...*standing* before the throne" it is clear...these ones are physically resurrected and alive. Yet, these same ones have not yet received everlasting "life", so they are still considered spiritually "dead".

(note: (Matt.23:33;10:28; Mark 9:43).

In summary:

The "righteous" are resurrected first into spirit beings to rule with Christ (Rev. 20:6). Their righteousness is symbolized by a "white robe" (Rev.19:8; 6:11).

The "Great Crowd" are a part of the 144000. They are the section that live in the time of the end (the "remaining ones" of the woman's seed/remnant). They come off victorious from the Great Tribulation...the greatest deception that Satan will ever design (Rev.7:9,13,14).

The "unrighteous" are the rest...survivors and resurrected ones who, during the Thousand Years, receive the instruction and opportunity that leads to perfection, sinlessness, and everlasting life (Rev.20:5,12).

At the end of the Thousand Years, Satan will test every one of these perfect, educated individuals (Rev.20:7,8,9). Afterward, those who pass this test (originally brought upon perfect Adam and Eve), will "come to life" everlastingly. Those who fail will suffer divine execution, to be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Gehenna), the "second death", never to be seen again.

(Revelation 20:14-15) And death and Ha′des were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire."

I sincerely hope that my explanation was understandable to you. I also hope that what I covered here touched upon all your questions. As best as I can understand your question, I think these scriptures should cover it.
If not, please just clarify the point in question for me.

Thank you for your question.
Jehovah's spirit bless you,

This same person followed up with additional questions, especially regarding the scriptural validity of persons living on earth. This included the idea that no one is on earth during the Thousand Year Judgement Day.

My reply is as follows:

First question: How do we know that people will be on the earth during the Thousand Year Reign?

Here are a few of the many scriptures to reason on regarding that indication...

Rev.20:6; Rev.5:10  Where is the  Millennial rulership of the Kingdom Heirs exercised?

Psalm 37:29, "The righteous themselves will *possess the earth*, And they will reside *forever* upon it."

Ask yourself, what possession are the "righteous promised?

How long will they possess it?

What is your answer?

Is this speaking of this world as we know it? Is it not true that in the present world, the righteous are not the ones with the power and ownership of the earth?

Do you then conclude that this scripture reveals the righteous possessing the earth, after the Kingdom begins it's rule over the earth?

This is in harmony with, and therefore is reinforced by the promise made to Abraham. Consider what he was told concerning his "seed":
(Genesis 13:15-16) "because *all the land* at which you are looking, to you and to your seed I am going to give it *until time indefinite*. 16 And I will constitute your seed like the dust particles of the earth, so that, if a man could be able to count the dust particles of the earth, then your seed could be numbered.

Here we see that God's promise to give Abraham's seed all the land UNTIL TIME INDEFINITE, has not yet occurred. This inheritance is yet future.

(Genesis 22:17-18) I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. 18 And *by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves* due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.

Again, we have not yet seen this fulfillment either...that of ALL NATIONS being blessed by means of "Abraham's seed".

These promises were confirmed to Jacob:

(Genesis 28:13-14) And, look! there was Jehovah stationed above it, and he proceeded to say: “I am Jehovah the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. The land upon which you are lying, to you I am going to give it and to your seed. 14 And your seed will certainly become like the dust particles of the earth, and *you will certainly spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south*, and by means of you and by means of your seed all the families of the ground will certainly bless themselves".

Here we see the extent of "all the land", as conveyed as "to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south".

(Genesis 48:4) And he went on to say to me, ‘Here I am making you fruitful, and I will make you many and I will transform you into a congregation of peoples and I will give this land to your seed after you *for a possession to time indefinite*.

Again we see this inheritance for the "righteous" of Abraham's seed, The North, the South, the East, and the West... all directions, being given just as is stated in Psalm 37:29...forever.

But who is this seed? It is primarily Christ that receives this inheritance...

(Galatians 3:16) Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. It says, not: “And to seeds,” as in the case of many such, but as in the case of one: “And to your seed,” who is Christ.".

Did Jesus inherit the earth as the heir of Abraham?

(Matthew 28:18) "And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth".

So we see Jesus did inherit the entire earth.
But we read that the "righteous" will possess the earth! Does Jesus share this inheritance?

(Galatians 3:29) Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, *YOU are really Abraham’s seed*, *heirs with reference to a promise*". What promise would that be?
The promise to receive "all the land", and "bless" "all the Nations".

When the above scripture says, "You are really Abraham's seed", was this speaking of Jews?

(Romans 9:6-8) However, it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who [spring] from Israel are really “Israel.” 7 Neither because they are Abraham’s seed are they all children, but: “What will be called ‘your seed’ will be through Isaac.” 8 That is, the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the seed.

Here we see that the heirs are the "children of God", "through Issac", meaning Christ. His "children" are through "a promise".

(Galatians 3:26-29) YOU are all, in fact, sons of God *through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus*. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] *in union with Christ Jesus*. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, *YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise*."

The scriptures clearly convey that this inheritance of the earth, is through Christ. It belongs to those who are "baptized into Christ". Those baptized "into Christ", become part of his body. Again, these are the anointed, the seed of Abraham.

Therefore, since Abraham was promised the literal earth, Christ inherited the literal earth, and the "righteous" are to inherit the literal earth.....forever. Why then, would they be resurrected to be in Heaven forever? They are not.

But we are not done. More scriptures...

What about during the Thousand Years?

(Revelation 21:2-3) I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down *out of heaven* from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is *with mankind*, and he will *reside with them*, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them.

We are told that "New Jerusalem" (Abraham's seed), comes out of heaven to be with mankind. (literal Greek for "mankind" is; of the earth, of the dust) Those who LEAVE HEAVEN to be with physical men, are then, no longer in heaven (out of heaven). Where then, are they? Can you reason on this?

If you still have your doubts, lets go to Rev. 20:7-9:

"Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison,  and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the EARTH...
The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the breadth of the EARTH and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city."

Where does Satan go as soon as he is let out of his prison? We are told he wants to mislead nations "in the four corners of the EARTH". Therefore, if you are reasonable, you know that he is rushing upon earthly inhabitants, "As soon as the Thousand Years" conclude.
Not only do we see the earth inhabited at the conclusion of this era, we see that the "holy ones", and the "beloved city" of Kingdom heirs, are also among mankind. This is consistent with being told that they came "out of heaven" as God's "tent" to reside with mankind. What for? bless them (Gen.22:18; Rev.21:3,4). 
They are the means by which the scrolls are opened (life-giving knowledge provided), and through whom the provisions of life (fruit and leaves from "trees of life") will be provided.
In, it is explained how Abraham's seed blesses those on earth. They are depicted as "trees of life". Those of all the Nations who eat of their fruit and leaves, are "cured". (This is the dead being brought to life.) This occurs during the Thousand Year Judgement Day, when those "scrolls are opened". The knowledge contained in those "scrolls", is that "fruit and leaves". Those who take in, accept, and obey that knowledge, "come to life" by the end of the Thousand Years.

At Rev. 21:5, it reads:
“Look! I am making all things new.”

In harmony with this, at 2 Peter 3:13:
"But there are new heavens and a *NEW earth* that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell."

God says that he is making all things new, including the earth. When he says that the "former things have passed away", does he mean that they no longer exist? Being made new, applies in the same way to the earth, as it does to the other things mentioned...

In Rev.21:4, the things done away with are the things out of harmony with God's loving purpose; tears, death, mourning, outcry, and pain". This does not mean that all human emotion will be destroyed...only the bad parts of it. In the same way,  a "new earth" will not mean that the earth is destroyed...only the bad parts of it that have deviated from God's purpose.

The inheritance (earth, inhabitants) need to be "made new", made free of defect. The Thousand Years is the period during which this will be completed.

(Isaiah 45:18) For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, *who formed it even to be inhabited*: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.

Here Jehovah states his purpose for the be inhabited. This appears in harmony with all the above scriptures.

If you have a scripture that indicates that the future of ALL mankind is heavenly, send it to me.

Regarding your citing of Matt.22:29, is thoroughly covered at an article, located at
That article also covers 1Cor.15:35.

Isaiah 65:20,...This is speaking of the Thousand year Judgement Day. This description is referring to a spiritual condition. During that time, all will have the opportunity to attain spiritual maturity. Those who do not appreciate this provision will be removed, regardless of their age or maturity of knowledge. What will matter is if they are choosing to sin ("and as for the sinner, although a hundred years of age he will have evil called down upon him."). If they are choosing to sin during this period of God's graciousness, they will die. Remember..." Rev.20:5 ("The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.") I have already explained to you that this "life" is referring to eternal life.

To quote you,
"Rev. 22:14, says that whoever wash their robes may gain entrance into the city by the gates. The great crowd has washed their robes clean in Christ's blood, and the city we are talking about here is "heavenly Jerusalem." (Rev.7:9; Rev.21:2)

Yes, this is just what I said in the last answer. The "great crowd" does go to heaven. They are the heirs with Christ, proven by the scriptures already given. These are part of the group that "blesses" "all the Nations" on earth, when they "come down out of heaven", during the Thousand Year Judgement Day.

You said,
"Now what about the great crowd (If you can show me a scripture that says they will be ressurected 'during' the thousand years)

I wonder if you read my last answer. I did not say this. They are resurrected in the first resurrection... as I said, before the Thousand Years commences.

You said,
"surely all Jehovahs witnesses that die before armageddon, must also be considered alive in Gods eyes, and they cannot be the ones standing before the throne in Rev.20:12, as the bible describes them as being dead (in Gods eyes).

I would never make this claim as a certainty...that Jehovah's Witnesses are considered alive by God. You are mistaken. We are told that any who receive the mark of the beast on their forehead, are NOT written in the Lamb's scroll of life. No one is "alive" until the Thousand Years ends (Rev.20:5), unless they were part of the "first resurrection". Jehovah's Witnesses are not part of the first resurrection, unless they are among the sealed anointed.

If you would like to learn more about this condemning mark of the Wild Beast, you can read:

As far as why the scriptures focus on the spiritual resurrection, you can find the answer at

You said,
"To say that people are going to enter the 1000 years and just not age or die anymore is 'wishfull' thinking ,but its not what the bible says."

Are you thinking that I am saying this? Then you really did not read my previous answer. Did you not read that those who side with Satan *at the end of the Thousand Years* are executed? Did you not read that eternal life is not attained until the thousand years ends? (Rev. 20:5). That is because during that period, as you brought up in Isa.65:20, those who do not pursue divine education and obey it, will die during this period, as I have already explained in depth.

You said, "If Jesus corrected people (pharisees) who were teaching an earthly ressurection".

Jesus was not speaking to pharisees who believed in an earthly resurrection in this account. He was speaking to Sadducees who did not believe in resurrection at all. How this effected Jesus' answer is covered in the article I recommended.

At Rev.7:15, we are told that the great crowd "renders sacred service" in God's "Temple" (1Pet.2:5; 1Cor.3:16; Rom.2:29). The only ones who may do that acceptably, are the chosen priests (Eze.44:6,7,8,9; 2Chron.13:9). The Great Crowd are among those...distinguished as the last remnant of these priests, who have "come through the Great Tribulation".

Rev.7:9; Psalm118:27; Lev.7:31; 1Cor.9:13; Rev.6:9


Not all anointed, are prophets (1Cor.12:27,29; Num.12:6). Not all of the remnant are "like the apostle John" was, when he was given visions of the end, which he wrote down in the book of Revelation.
For those never given visions, it is hard to understand 
how they are shown and written, and why  they are written the way that they are.
I was shown many visions. 
It is necessary to see them, one at a time. 
Yet...the things I saw did not happen (and are not fulfilled) in the order I was shown them.
In fact....I was shown the same things...over and over again...from various angles, other perspectives, and different viewpoints. Each vision added to my understanding of the same subjects and events.

So you see, the last vision did not happen "in time", after the first vision. 
Neither did their fulfillment happen in the order they were shown.
Can you understand this?

When Jesus described what "the kingdom of the heavens will become like", he gave many different parables.
Do we imagine that he was talking about many different kingdoms that were all different?
No. We know that it is all the same kingdom. We know that if we combine all the different descriptions, we make a full picture... to understand many things about one  kingdom.
This is how visions take place. There are many different visions....all describing different parts of the same truth.
Like many facets of the same gem, we must see each facet before we see the whole gem. 
This is what different visions accomplish.
It is the same with the visions given to John. I know this. I also had visions just like him.
I was given the visions to explain the book of Revelation. I know how to understand the way it is written.
Those who have not learned this way....they take the book from a human standpoint, and view the prophecies as having human timing.
When John says..."then I saw"...
he is not saying what happens next in prophecy .
He is telling what he saw next
There is a big difference between how a prophet learns, and how reality takes place.
When Jesus said what the kingdom will become like (Matt.13:24,31,33,45,47; Matt.25:1,14);
he did not mean that things would happen in that order....
that first the kingdom would be like a farmer...and then later... after that, it would become like a mustard grain.
No. All these things happen during the same time. 
But we do not learn each part of the Truth, all at the same time, do we?
And Jesus does not teach  all the facts at the same time (John16:12). 
Otherwise, there would only be one  parable/illustration. 

Please understand that when Rev.7:4 describes the 144000 (as being Jews) (see Rom.2:29; Gal.3:29),
and THEN describes the Great Crowd as being of all nations (Rev.7:9; 5:9,10; Gal.3:28)...
IT IS NOT DESCRIBING two different time periods. It is not describing two different groups of people.
Just as Jesus gave many illustrations for the "kingdom" and what it would become like;
he also gave many descriptions of the sealed anointed. Why? So that we could understand these things more fully, with more detail.
This is the situation when we learn by means of illustrations, and when we learn by means of visions, (such as the book of Revelation). Illustrations compliment one another. Visions compliment one another. They each add information to the whole understanding. know this.

You have made assumptions without the direction of scripture to do so.  
It is true that the Great Crowd shares traits with the 144000 priests, 
and yet it has a unique trait....these come through the time of the end and the Great Tribulation. 
Not all 144000 do that.

If you have a graduating class, and some of them receive special awards....
this does not mean that the students who are honored are not a part of the original graduating class, does it?
We are told that the Great Crowd have the honor of spiritually surviving the Great Tribulation.
This does not mean that they are not a part of the 144,000.

Rev.7 teaches us....and we must accept... that the 144000 are spiritual  "Jews" (Rom.2:28,29; Rev.7:4)
and at the same time also physically come from all Nations (Rev.5:9,10) (both Jew and Gentile- Acts10:34,35; 15:12,13,14,15,16,17; 11:9; Rom.9:23,24; Eph.2:19,20,21,22; Rev.7:9)

By Jesus showing John that the heirs of the kingdom were BOTH spiritual Jews (in covenant), but also physically from all Nations...we learn both these truths about them...
That they are Jews (God's people)...BUT NOT PHYSICAL JEWS in the flesh. This corrects many present misunderstandings.

Both these truths (spiritual Jew, yet physical Gentile) cannot be illustrated all at once in the same symbols at the same time....
so they are shown in successive illustrations....
consistent with the way Jesus always taught, by many successive illustrations.
A vision IS an illustration. The only difference is that the student sees and lives it, rather than only hearing it. Anyone can read the Bible's illustrations. They can pray for Holy Spirit to understand, and they can read explanations from others.
But when God's spirit gives a vision, there is no room for misunderstanding. The prophet can question God's messenger or Christ directly, when the prophet needs more information or is confused. To experience something directly, makes a prophet a valid witness. Once a prophet is taken in the power of the spirit into spiritual, unseen realities surrounding events and identities; their faith and knowledge is a powerful shield against Satan's deceptions and doctrines/interpretations of men.

Each description and illustration,
and each vision,
teaches us a different part of the very same truth about the very same thing. 
I have learned directly from Christ.
I have received visions just like the apostle John. 
I know how Jesus teaches, and I know and understand how to interpret what 
both I and John were shown.

We can not nullify scripture. Each and every thing Revelation tells us about the Great Crowd, 
is how the chosen priests  are described in other scriptures.
We must accept the Bible's own interpretation of who the Great Crowd is.

Let us consider only one  of the many descriptions of them....Rev.7:15
"and they render sacred service day and night in his temple".

The "Temple" in Revelation is not  the physical "shadow" of the reality to come (Col.2:17; Heb.8:5). 
The "temple" in Revelation symbolizes the anointed 144000 priests, among whom God dwells (1Cor.3:16; Eph.2:21,22; Rev.7:15 D).

If you read  Heb.10:11; 8:1,2; Num.18:5,6,7; 2Chron.23:6; 1Chron.23:3,4,5,24,28,30,32; Eze.44:5,9,15,16
("day and night" Rev.7:15; 1Chron23:30)
you will see that the Bible says that the only ones permitted to "render sacred the Temple" are Jehovah's priests (2Chron.23:6).
They are the only ones allowed to do this (Num.18:7).
Rev.7:9 tells us that these include those who were not his people (physical Gentiles), but these have now been "shown mercy" and made priests....
physical "Gentiles" made into spiritual Jews and  Holy priests (1Pet.2:10,9; Rev.5:9,10)
by means of spiritual circumcision of the heart (Rom.2:28,29; Col.2:11).

These who serve in God's temple, can not be spiritual Gentiles (uncircumcised in heart by spirit) who never received the circumcision of the heart (Eze.44:7). Only anointed, spiritual "Jews" and priests receive this circumcision by spirit (Rom.2:28,29) and may enter the temple to render acceptable sacred service (1Pet.2:5; Rev.7:15). 
Those born in the flesh as Gentilesbut who receive a circumcised heart by spiritbecome spiritual Jews. (Eph.2:11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21; Eph.2:22; Eph.3:1,2,3,4,5,6]

If you and Xxxx do not understand these things,
you will not perceive the "disgusting thing" standing in the "Holy Place"
     (spiritual Gentiles- not anointed) standing in the Temple (taking over the priesthood- 2Chron.13:9; Eze.44:7).
If you still see the Great Crowd as not anointed (uncircumcised in heart), 
and that it is fine for them to serve in the temple,
then you accept what Jehovah thinks is an abomination. (2Chron.23:6; Num.3:10; Eze.44:7)

Please give Xxx all these scriptures and please tell him if that he still thinks that the Great Crowd of Rev.7:15 are not Jehovah's chosen priests and a part of the 144000 spiritual Jews, (Rev.7:4; 20:6)
then he must send me the scriptures which tell us
 that those not receiving the circumcision of the heart by spirit (Col.2:9,10,11,12; Rom.6:4,5; 2:28,29; Eph.3:6) may also render acceptable service to God in His spiritual Temple,
because that idea goes against the scriptures that I know (see some above), as well as prophecies which I was given understanding for.

If God finds it acceptable for spiritual Gentiles to serve in his temple,
then the Man of Lawlessness in 2Thess.2:4 is doing an acceptable thing, when he also trespasses into, and raises himself up "in God's temple" (Dan.8:11; 11:37).
 spiritual Gentile is one who is uncircumcised in heart(Eze.44:7,9)
Jesus said that in God's eyes, spiritual Gentiles in the Temple is a "disgusting thing"!
(Matt.24:15; Mark13:14; Rev.11:2; Dan.8:13; 11:31) and caused the "Temple" (1Cor.3:16; Eph.2:20,21,22) to become defiled (Dan.11:31; Jer.7:30; Dan.11:37,38; Jer.19:4; Rev.13:8).

Why then, would it seem good, for those in Rev.7:9,10 to be "saved" through the Great Tribulation and wear "white robes", if these are uncircumcised Gentiles who are breaking God's Temple Laws by replacing the priests in rendering sacred service?

Please study the previous scriptures. They will tell you and Xxx who the "Great Crowd" must be.
The scriptures can not be nullified, even if we think we understand something the Bible does not say.
The Bible must agree with itself, or else we have the wrong interpretation.
When John said "after these things" he adds "I saw and look" (Rev.7:9 A).
It was after... that he saw...
not after, that it happened in fulfillment of prophecy.
This seeing "after", has nothing to do with fulfillment, or human timing.
Thinking that this indicates the order of prophetic fulfillment, is an assumption.
It indicates rather, the beginning of the next illustration.

This is how visions layers. 
Truths are shown in vision, over and overuntil you learn the whole picture.
The scriptures about who is allowed to "render sacred  service in God's spiritual Temple" (Rev.7:15), 
must not be nullified.
If we do disregard these, we will never understand "the disgusting thing standing in a holy place".

There is a provision for life to those not circumcised in heart by spirit....
but it is not by means of them becoming the "disgusting thing".

That provision for life, is contained in the scriptures (Matt.10:40,41,42; 25:45,46).

If we understand the Great Crowd as not  anointed, 
then we believe the same lie "Jehovah's Witnesses" believe.
This lie from Satan lets those not chosen as priests, feel entitled to serve God "in His Temple priesthood", even emboldening them to call themselves, Jehovah's chosen witnesses (Isa.43:10,21; 1Pet.2:9), and be equal and even over the priests, allowing the trampling of the Holy Ones (Rev.11:2; Dan.7:25; 8:13; Luke21:24; John16:2; Rev.13:7).
This lie was needed for Satan to control the anointed and prevent their being sealed,
which is the result to those who let themselves be dominated and tormented by those who take over the Temple Priesthood from them (Isa.5:5; Dan.12:7; Lam.1:10; Rev.9:3,4,5,10). That dominating, tormenting identity is the "Man of Lawlessness"/"Wild Beast"/"Locust-Scorpions" (2Thess.2:3,4; Rev.13:7,8,15,16; 9:3,4,5,10). These are all the same entity.

I sympathize, that in seeing the Great Crowd as not chosen priests, you yourself may not wish to trample Jehovah's chosen priests.
You may feel qualified to have faith without the spirit given them, to teach you with scripture.
You may feel that the service of the priests in the Temple, is no different than the service of others.
You may feel that it is nothing for Jehovah to choose His nation to serve him,
and then for others not chosen nor cleansed, to render the same service.
But this is not at all what the Bible teaches.

It is nothing for you to speak against, reject, or blaspheme God's chosen priests;
but it is something to reject God's Word and spirit. (Matt.12:31,32; Eph.6:17)
Please, read and accept the scriptures I have given you.


I have a misunderstanding: in REV. 7:3-8 are shown the 144,000 , they are not seen in the temple, maybe because they themselves are the Temple (spiritual)
then, the Great Crowd is seen "worship him day and night in his temple" v15
I know that in the old the priests were (literally) serving God in Temple (that temple was of stones)
in spirit the Temple are exactly the 144,000 ones (living stones) now the Great Crowd is serving IN "his temple"
my misunderstanding: how can the Temple(the great crowd) serve God in his temple(of living stones, 144,000) ?
thank you for your time and effort.

“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel."
 "I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God
    and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
    will shelter them with his presence."

Not all the truth is given in a few Bible verses, but the truth is constructed by means of all scripture.
This compares to the pieces of a puzzle. Rev.7:3-8 are not all the pieces which describe the 144000.
In fact, the entire scroll of Revelation is needed to describe them (the “wheat”). This scroll also includes descriptions of the antithesis of the 144000….those who do not prove faithful (the “weeds”).

Rev.7:3-8 is not highlighting the Temple aspect of the 144000. It is teaching here, a different facet of their attributes.
Here we are being told that these are spiritual Jews (Rom.2:28,29; Gal.3:29; Rom.9:8) chosen to be in covenant with God for the purpose of a holy priesthood (Rev.5:9,10; 1Pet.2:5,10,9; Isa.43:21,10). It also tells us that not all those invited (the tribes of Israel) win the prize of being “chosen” and “sealed” (Matt.22:14,8).
If you wish to learn the "Temple" aspect of the 144000, other verses are available.

You have asked;
“How can the Temple (the great crowd) serve God in his temple (of living stones, 144,000) ?”

If I understand your question correctly, you are asking-
How can the Great Crowd serve IN the Temple, if they ARE the Temple?
Is my understanding of your question correct? I hope so, because this is what I will answer. If this is not what you mean, please follow up with clarification.

I am perplexed that this confuses you, because all similar cases are expressed the same way.
For example,
If you were to see an battalion of soldiers,
Are they themselves “the army”, or are they serving “in” the army?

Of course, just a single soldier is not the entire army. But if only one soldier of a battalion were to enter a town first; it would not be wrong for someone to declare, "The army is here". So too; each single soldier is not considered “the Army”, but only a member of it, serving within the concept of a whole army to which they belong.
These concepts apply to any member of any group. So too, the Temple and it's members. 
Each single priest could be considered “the Temple”, but is really only a part of it, serving within the concept of a whole Temple priesthood, to which they belong.
Each priest is considered a representative of that Temple, and is serving as a priest within that whole Temple service (Rev.22:3).
Just as an "army" is not a physical building with a static location in which all soldiers must occupy in order to be "IN the army";
so too this spiritual Temple is a concept...a tent... that moves with God's spirit. That spirit is dwelling within each heart of the 144000. God’s spirit resides within each one of them, and in this way, they are God’s Temple. (1Cor.3:16; 6:19; Rom.8:9,11; Eph.2:22; Heb.3:6)
Another example-
If you have a Chorus...The chorus is not one member, but all. Each member is “IN the Chorus”…but there is no tangible “Chorus” that each member has to enter, as if it were a physical box or location.
The singers comprise the Chorus, as the soldiers comprise the army, as the Sons of God comprise the Temple.
Yet any individual member of all such groups, serve within that general group.
This is why a different aspect of the 144000 even tells us that there is no Temple
See Rev.21:22:
“I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.”

This contributes more pieces to our full picture of understanding about the 144000.
Here Jehovah and Jesus are the Temple! Does this mean that the 144000 are God and Christ?
Does this mean that the Great Crowd from the Great Tribulation are inside of God and Christ….serving inside the 144000, who are also God and Christ?
As you can see, we can get very confused if we view things physically.

If we combine these scriptural pieces of insight, and logically compare these illustrations to other common reasonings;
We understand that the 144000 ARE the Temple (ie. The soldiers ARE the army)…individual priests serve IN the Temple (individual soldiers serve IN the army).  (1Cor.12:27; Rom.12:5)

As the commands of the army Officer are obeyed within the mind and actions of each soldier- the army itself, must also be within each soldier. 

At Rev.21:22 we learn that the 144000 are a city in which God dwells in spirit. Each of the 144000 have within them a heart in which the spirit of God dwells Eze.36:26; 2Cor.3:3; Jer.24:7; 31:33; Eze.11:19; Rom.2:29 (This is what qualifies them as belonging to the Temple).

Try to remember also, that this is all spiritual. As such- time, space, and physical laws, do not apply.
The physical realm is very limited in comparison. Even in the physical realm, we have seen that more than one reality can exist at the same time, if we are comparing a group to it's individual members. So much more so, in the spiritual realm.
Revelation's descriptions of the 144000 are nothing more than illustrations, for physical minds to be granted partial glimpse, at grasping mentally a concept that is in realitybeyond human thinking (1Cor.2:9; John17:21,22,23,26)

So your original question was:

"How can the Temple (the great crowd) serve God in his temple (of living stones, 144,000) ?"
To use our illustration, it could be asked in this way:
"How can a battalion serve in the army they belong to?"
Hopefully you can see that it is logical for a group to serve within the larger group which they belong to.
The "Great Crowd" remnant of priests who come through the Great Tribulation at the end of this system (Rev.7:14), serve within the same Temple arrangement that all of it's members do (Rev.20:6; 22:3). That Temple is not physical, but is an arrangement of priests who slave for God's purpose, to reconcile mankind to Himself (2Cor.5:20; Mal.2:7; Rev.22:3).
When New Jerusalem is inaugurated in heaven (just previous to it's descention to earth- Rev.21:2); the Great Crowd (the remaining ones of the woman's seed- Rev.12:17) will join the previous priests in heaven (1Thess.4:17), to complete the Holy City as it's "capstone" (Zech.4:7). This is the last stone ("remnant") to be placed in the Temple (1Pet.2:5; 2Cor.5:1; Eph.2:21).

I hope this answers your question. If not, please let me know.
Love in Christ,


You may want to re-consider Rev.5:9,10;
as well as the thought that after the first century,
the rest of the anointed are derived from this larger flock of physical Gentiles....
the larger flock than the "little flock" of anointed physical descendants of Abraham (physical Jews).
Since the first century, the anointed have been chosen from among physical Gentiles ("every tribe and tongue and people and nation")
to become spiritual Jews, along with the original physical Jews (Matt.15:24; 10:6; Rom.1:16; 2:9,10,11) who also became spiritual Jews,
so that both physical Jew and physical Gentile,
all become "one flock" of anointed spiritual "Jews". (Rom.2:28,29; John10:16,27; Isa.56:8; Eze.34:23; Rev.7:17)

The last of the anointed priests and kings (the great crowd "capstone" Zech.4:7,9; Rev.7:9,17),
MUST be all physical Gentiles (Rev.5:9,10). 
There is no longer any record of physical Jews,
nor any preferential consideration toward them, since the time of their rejection of God's Son and subsequent hardening of their hearts in unrepentance (Rom.11:25); and since the opening of the kingdom hope toward Gentiles (Acts13:46; 10:15; Eph.2:14,15,16; Acts10:34,35,44,45; Gal.3:28). 

In the first century...Jews who repented were accepted (Acts2:36,37,38). After this opportunity, it was made equally opened to physical Gentiles to be in God's New Covenant, which replaced the Old Covenant toward physical Jews.
These anointed (since the first century) are all physical Gentiles, being from "every tribe and tongue and people and nation".

Compare the total flock of anointed to an apple pie.
Some apples are of one sort, some of another sort.

Physical Jews are one sort. Yet Gentiles are of many sorts.
Yet they are all mixed together to become one pie. (Gal3:28,29; John10:16)

This fits the "one flock" as consisting of both physical Jew and a variety of physical Gentiles.
They join to become one anointed flock/ one "pie".

Now after most of that "pie" has come and gone (eaten),
there is a final slice that is left. 

No one can say how large or small it is (Rev.7:9)
We can be certain though, that just like the pie from which it came,
it consists of a variety of apples (Rev.7:9)
This is the remnant... the great crowd/last capstone of the anointed "Temple", 
which comes through the time of the end (Great Tribulation) (Rev.7; Zech.4:7,9,11,14; Rev.11:3,4).

The "one pie"/flock, is not designated as being of one sort of apple or another sort.
That last slice is also considered "of every tribe tongue people and nation"...including any physical Jews.
There is no longer any distinction, nor favoritism among the anointed (Acts10:34; Gal.3:28,29).
For, God's chosen are from all nations (including physical Jews), selected to become the new "Israel of God".
 (Gal.6:15,16; Rev.3:12; 21:2; 2Pet.3:13).

Please consider the information at this link...

What is "Jew" and "Gentile"?